tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post1330724196951449027..comments2023-10-10T05:41:09.249-05:00Comments on LandShark 5150: The Breakup of the United States -- if it was Brad and Angelina you'd read it!LandShark 5150http://www.blogger.com/profile/11625229822235020824noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-67132622793734801232010-07-29T07:24:36.882-05:002010-07-29T07:24:36.882-05:00Griper -- The Revolutionary War was America’s firs...Griper -- The Revolutionary War was America’s first war of secession. <br />America’s most prominent secessionist, Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration, was very clear about what he was saying: Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and whenever that consent is withdrawn, it is the right of the people to "alter or abolish" that government and "to institute a new government." The word "secession" was not a part of the American language at that time, so Jefferson used the word "separation" instead to describe the intentions of the American colonial secessionists. <br />The Declaration is also a states’ rights document (not surprisingly, since Jefferson was the intellectual inspiration for the American states’ rights political tradition). This, too, is foreign to most Americans. But read the final paragraph of the Declaration which states:<br />That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other things which independent states may of right do (emphasis in original).<br />Each colony was considered to be a free and independent state, or nation, in and of itself. There was no such thing as "the United States of America" in the minds of the founders. The independent colonies were simply united for a particular cause: seceding from the British empire. Each individual state was assumed to possess all the rights that any state possesses, even to wage war and conclude peace. Indeed, when King George III finally signed a peace treaty he signed it with all the individual American states, named one by one, and not something called "The United States of America." The "United States" as a consolidated, monopolistic government is a fiction invented by Lincoln and instituted as a matter of policy at gunpoint and at the expense of some 600,000 American lives during 1861–1865. <br />Jefferson defended the right of secession in his first inaugural address by declaring, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it." (In sharp contrast, in his first inaugural address, Lincoln promised an "invasion" with massive "bloodshed" (his words) of any state that failed to collect the newly-doubled federal tariff rate by seceding from the union).<br /><br />Jefferson made numerous statements in defense of the defining principal of the American Revolution: the right of secession. In a January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly he wrote:<br />Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern, and I feel myself as much identified with that country, in future time, as with this; and did I now foresee a separation [i.e., secession] at some future day, yet I should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family which should fall within my power.<br />In an August 12, 1803 letter to John C. Breckinridge Jefferson addressed the same issue, in light of the New England Federalists’ secession movement in response to his Louisiana Purchase. If there were a "separation" into two confederacies, he wrote, "God bless them both, & keep them in the union if it be for their good, but separate them, if it be better."LandShark 5150https://www.blogger.com/profile/11625229822235020824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-11081044918973419012010-07-28T14:02:46.378-05:002010-07-28T14:02:46.378-05:00history shows us what happened with the idea of se...history shows us what happened with the idea of seccession. it is called the Civil War. the founding fathers understood this possibility of wars because of the wars in Europe between the States there. and this Constitution was written in such a manner as to prevent this. the Supreme Court was created just for this purpose.<br /><br />as for nullification, that was tried too. remember, the Articles of Confederation was our first Constitution and the one we have replaced it. <br /><br />nullifying it would require a nation whose mindset was such that would allow for its nullification and if that mindset ever would exist then there would be no need to nullify it because there would be enough to demand the rightful interpretation of it.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-35227029680283846202010-07-28T07:31:10.522-05:002010-07-28T07:31:10.522-05:00Griper -- much like Reagan's 64' speach fo...Griper -- much like Reagan's 64' speach for Goldwater, which is good, the question has to remain. <br />What have we (as conservatives)gained? The tea party movement is a new breath of it but really, have we gained anything, has one item of government intrusion been yielded, other than that brief moment of clinton rollback of welfare, in a nut shell -- no.<br />I agree with you on interpretation aspect that is lost in translation. But the document is dead and other than blowing up the existing system and resetting the foundation, there is no answer.<br />We have the same blue/red, yankee/redsox, bullshit that is the same sided teams, they both are masters and we thier servants.<br />Look at yesterday, the so called conserves voted for the borrowing of non-existing funds, 33 bil, for the war effort. We do not have it, but they dont care. <br />The nullification and seccession is the only answer. That is constitutionally the only answer, one that has been lost by lib interpretation being taught and lost, taught and lost.LandShark 5150https://www.blogger.com/profile/11625229822235020824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-5576707541265290862010-07-28T00:35:50.199-05:002010-07-28T00:35:50.199-05:00nice bit of dreaming, my friend. a study of histor...nice bit of dreaming, my friend. a study of history would declare that the solutions you propose are not workable.<br /><br />Our Constitution, as written, is not the problem. the problem lies in the interpretation of it. and given this we must conclude that it will happen with any Constitution for there will always be those who place political ideology above all else even to the point of interpretating any Constitution to fit their particular ideology.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-22004636573156793442010-07-27T16:34:11.674-05:002010-07-27T16:34:11.674-05:00I blame Beck for helping Perry get re-elected. Cap...I blame Beck for helping Perry get re-elected. Capt. Instigate had to paint the contender to look like a 9/11 truther. I would say that Weepy the Clown needs to consider the repercussions of his actions but he is too busy selling books and being enamored with himself. Basically too buys believing his own hype.<br><br />We'd have more of a fighting chance if other states would sack up and make the stand. Trying to convince this generations up and comers to fight for American sovereignty let alone state sovereignty is a task for Sisyphus—about as effective. We have so many elected state reps who buy into the big governemtn cheese and become transfixed on propelling themselves at the expense of our democracy. Ever seen "Jericho"? It would probably take a reset button of that caliber to really affect anything unfortunately.Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00995981511802074871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-86542047080284532652010-07-27T10:18:49.861-05:002010-07-27T10:18:49.861-05:00Mango - long time.
The ruled and the rulers. If y...Mango - long time. <br />The ruled and the rulers. If ya would elct me to congress, I'd lock the doors and kill'em all. Dreaming of course, maybe sedition, but it is less than what they do hourly and only would effect 545 people.LandShark 5150https://www.blogger.com/profile/11625229822235020824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-82608497480023688042010-07-27T10:11:20.139-05:002010-07-27T10:11:20.139-05:00Red - I hear ya sis, me has a tape of our (Texican...Red - I hear ya sis, me has a tape of our (Texicans) grease for brains gubner, getting a standing O from LaRazza. He is pandering for votes when he plans for the prez. He has said that he has NO intention of border control and thinks Arizona is wrong, its a fed issue. He talks the "S" word only when the tea partiers hold rallies or Beck comes to town to grand stand with DeceptiCons. We are SOOOO fucked it hurts. Belize is sounding better each day I wake up in this fed-er-ally fixed faux fubar we once called home. I'm disgraced to call meself a Texan, when we have a mouthpiece like Perry. We once were admired for our backbone, now we just get boned from the backside. <br />Thanks my pirate smiled sis, for your comment!LandShark 5150https://www.blogger.com/profile/11625229822235020824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-7586607094767162592010-07-27T10:08:37.115-05:002010-07-27T10:08:37.115-05:00All of the troubles we have in this country are a ...All of the troubles we have in this country are a result of the Imperial President and his Congress. We are nothing but serfs, the peasants to be used and controlled for the Imperial good. Look at the kingdoms of old Europe and you can see the same type of events. Greed and power is their motto!<br /><br />MangoMango's Madnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13763556523583766980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1952866519335588313.post-15119309681856218692010-07-27T09:00:38.206-05:002010-07-27T09:00:38.206-05:00I think that is why the Fed is coming down so hard...I think that is why the Fed is coming down so hard on Arizona. It isn't that Arizona is breaking any federal laws it's that Arizona threw down the gauntlet with passage of the illegal alien legislation SB 1070 which basically supports federal laws that are already on the book. Yet it clashes with the Feds agenda of open borders and a 'North American Union" of sorts. which is why people like Calderone have been allowed by our government to speak out against our own states in our own House. It is downright blasphemy and treasonous. Our Federal government is committing high treason as I type this. That's why the movement for states rights and the reassertion of the 10th Amendment have been so powerful. As soon as states get a whiff of their own God-given autonomy then the Fed will start to get really nervous. It isn't going to be pretty either. <br><br />I see our country going one of two ways: becoming a complete socialist sheeple state or states bowing up and secessions starting up. If Texas would only follow suit with Arizona then the sleeping giant will truly have awakened. God bless Texas.Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00995981511802074871noreply@blogger.com